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| HavocSetsIn | Jul 15 2014, 05:23 PM Post #1 |
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This guy I'm arguing with on Facebook is insisting that Battle of Gods is absolutely not canon. It really pisses me off how just because one opinion gets a few upvotes that it's deemed as the right one when no one knows what they're talking about. He's saying AT didn't actually write it, he only created the characters, and that he never stated that it was part of the official DBZ continuity and that was only an empty Toei statement. |
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| VegettoEX | Jul 15 2014, 06:16 PM Post #2 |
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Most of that is accurate information. The idea for the movie in and of itself was not Toriyama's: it was Toei Animation's idea. The main concepts brought to the table were "Super Saiyan God" and "God of Destruction". Yusuke Watanabe was hired as the scriptwriter for the movie, and he concocted an original draft that used those ideas and solidified them into things like Beerus being a lizard and being the one originally responsible for infecting the Saiyans with evil. Simultaneously, animation director Tadayoshi Yamamuro concocted a character design for Super Saiyan God Son Goku that was extremely muscular and had a cape. Toriyama came in and basically re-did all of that. From what we've learned, it sounds like Toriyama re-wrote a huge deal of the script (including actual character dialog), and then we know for a fact that he drew the final designs for Whis and Beerus (and even gave Whis his name, though misunderstanding what the original pun for "Beerus" was supposed to be, and inadvertently creating another [alcohol-related] series of name puns that worked just fine). Furthermore, no-one - ranging from Toriyama himself to anyone assocated with Shueisha or Toei - has ever actually said something like "this doesn't count" or "this never happened" in reference to any event, never mind actually use the word (or Japanese equivalent of) "canon". Ever. In anything. There are a couple one-off statements, and the one that your fellow fan is referring to was a statement made by the Battle of Gods publicity manager specifically in the original press release announcing the film, which stated:
Toriyama has, of course, made several statements about the movie itself (things ranging from working on it to what the final outcome was), but none of it can even remotely be classified as him saying "OMG ITZ A CANNON!" or anything like that :). I'd be happy to provide even more (and specific) examples of these, but in the interest of posting something at least APPROACHING brief (and not showing up just to plug my own material), hopefully that covers what you're looking for! |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jul 15 2014, 06:39 PM Post #3 |
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There is no discernable canon. People should stop trying to classify things as such for that reason. |
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| SSJ | Jul 15 2014, 06:41 PM Post #4 |
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Moved this to GT/Movies as this is not an announcement. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Jul 15 2014, 06:44 PM Post #5 |
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What about toriyama flat out saying that battle of gods actually did happen in the original material? And that the new 2015 movie coming out has a story that he made and didn't edit like he did with battle of gods?
Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Jul 15 2014, 06:50 PM.
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| HavocSetsIn | Jul 15 2014, 06:57 PM Post #6 |
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Sorry for putting this in the wrong section. Complete accident lol |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Jul 15 2014, 07:26 PM Post #7 |
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Anyone able to answer this? |
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| EMIYA | Jul 15 2014, 08:16 PM Post #8 |
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There's a big difference between something that's canon or non canon and something that's stupid. There's a lot of stupid things in the manga or Battle of Gods, stupid ideas, plotholes, inconsistencies, you name it. Things that don't make sense, this does not make them non-canon. Canon is simply the original material and any material afterwards is canon if considered to be part of the original material by said original author or authors. If AT came out and said that Piccolo was weaker than Ginyu at the end of Z, that would be canon. It would be a horrible plothole and inconsistency mind you that made no flip of a sense, but that wouldn't make it non-canon. People I think often make the mistake of thinking something that is canon must make sense to the original material. There's a difference between inconsistency and plotholes...and something that is non-canon. Otherwise we'd say the Boo Arc was non-canon with all of its issues. Now of course if people are saying BOG is non-canon because AT only did character designs, that's just people being foolish as we already know how much work AT put into BOG. |
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| Mihawk | Jul 15 2014, 08:48 PM Post #9 |
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Can you post the quote? He said something similar to the other movies. I think it's "canon", just not "pure canon" which would be the original source material |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Jul 15 2014, 09:05 PM Post #10 |
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why is battle of gods an exception? It's intended to be part of the original material and so is the new 2015 movie Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Jul 15 2014, 09:12 PM.
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| Zombie | Jul 15 2014, 09:20 PM Post #11 |
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Someone gets it. Hate it or not BoG is 100% fully canon to the manga. |
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| Mihawk | Jul 15 2014, 09:32 PM Post #12 |
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Based on that I'd say it's canon to the story but not canon to the manga. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Jul 15 2014, 09:37 PM Post #13 |
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I don't see what the deal is either. It's not like there are any huge plot holes in BOG are there? @itachi why? The manga is the original material Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Jul 15 2014, 09:38 PM.
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| Mihawk | Jul 15 2014, 09:55 PM Post #14 |
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Because according to him the other movies are canon to the story too, just in alternative universes. Basically the statement he has there works just as well for the other movies.
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Jul 15 2014, 10:00 PM Post #15 |
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He said this new movie's story he's writing is a continuation to manga and it's also a continuation of battle of gods, that means even if he thinks the other movies take place in other universes, battle of gods takes place in the manga universe right?
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